> You can understand why an ordinary low-info voter would be furious about this verdict as filtered through the fascist school-shooter narrative — but the people who built that narrative don’t believe it, and they seem madder than anybody. Something he actually did — not what they said he did — makes them want this kid raped, tortured and executed.
I would somewhat quibble here: when talking about the narrative-builders, the question of what they "really believe" becomes complicated. The mechanics of narrative formation mean that the most rabid believers are socially advantaged, and so none of these people will ever admit that they don't believe what they're pushing. Rather, the psychological posture of such a person is to carefully cultivate and defend a "real belief" in the lie, and then avoid -- and tar as heretical -- any source of information that challenges it. (Thus the immediate, unanimous rightthink consensus that Judge Schroeder was biased/racist/etc.; this is the necessary conclusion for any rightthinker to come to when they see the judge upholding Kyle's rights as a defendant in the courtroom, because the narrative they construct in their head demands that the proceeding just be a rubber-stamp conviction.)
I think you're right about the analysis of the underlying issue, but it should be expected that almost no one who's pushing the rightthink narrative is explicitly duplicitous, or actually conceives of the situation in those terms.
"Ideas matter. And they still matter even when they should not be taken seriously. They may not be the real motives for the left’s actions, but they are the real mechanism for left coordination to take action.
...
The left’s attitude toward ideas is on the whole one of brutally amoral cynicism. Yet they can take conflicts over ideological questions very seriously indeed. This is because the stakes are often life and death. If you don’t already know, look up what happened to Robespierre and Trotsky. (I could tell you, but it will have more impact if you discover it yourself.) It is not only that the “ideas” are used as weapons to justify taking power, killing people, etc. They are also used as coordination mechanisms to settle on just who is going to be attacked in the first place.
Thus the apparent paradox:
Leftists, who are utterly cynical in terms of taking ideas seriously, treat ideas with the seriousness of a gutter knife fight."
I will be curious, as the details of Rittenhouse's inevitable billion-dollar suite of lawsuits emerge, to hear how the details of those cases integrate with what you have here. Will this be a further unveiling of the wicked dichotomy you're describing?
> You can understand why an ordinary low-info voter would be furious about this verdict as filtered through the fascist school-shooter narrative — but the people who built that narrative don’t believe it, and they seem madder than anybody. Something he actually did — not what they said he did — makes them want this kid raped, tortured and executed.
I would somewhat quibble here: when talking about the narrative-builders, the question of what they "really believe" becomes complicated. The mechanics of narrative formation mean that the most rabid believers are socially advantaged, and so none of these people will ever admit that they don't believe what they're pushing. Rather, the psychological posture of such a person is to carefully cultivate and defend a "real belief" in the lie, and then avoid -- and tar as heretical -- any source of information that challenges it. (Thus the immediate, unanimous rightthink consensus that Judge Schroeder was biased/racist/etc.; this is the necessary conclusion for any rightthinker to come to when they see the judge upholding Kyle's rights as a defendant in the courtroom, because the narrative they construct in their head demands that the proceeding just be a rubber-stamp conviction.)
I think you're right about the analysis of the underlying issue, but it should be expected that almost no one who's pushing the rightthink narrative is explicitly duplicitous, or actually conceives of the situation in those terms.
The answer is here:
"Ideas matter. And they still matter even when they should not be taken seriously. They may not be the real motives for the left’s actions, but they are the real mechanism for left coordination to take action.
...
The left’s attitude toward ideas is on the whole one of brutally amoral cynicism. Yet they can take conflicts over ideological questions very seriously indeed. This is because the stakes are often life and death. If you don’t already know, look up what happened to Robespierre and Trotsky. (I could tell you, but it will have more impact if you discover it yourself.) It is not only that the “ideas” are used as weapons to justify taking power, killing people, etc. They are also used as coordination mechanisms to settle on just who is going to be attacked in the first place.
Thus the apparent paradox:
Leftists, who are utterly cynical in terms of taking ideas seriously, treat ideas with the seriousness of a gutter knife fight."
https://neurotoxinweb.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/the-role-of-ideology-in-leftist-violence/
Solid work, thank you for these thoughts.
One of my favorite Frog articles from the last 3 years. Beautifully written, well done. This is a classic.
I will be curious, as the details of Rittenhouse's inevitable billion-dollar suite of lawsuits emerge, to hear how the details of those cases integrate with what you have here. Will this be a further unveiling of the wicked dichotomy you're describing?
will be interesting to watch!